{"id":17358,"date":"2014-06-06T23:38:24","date_gmt":"2014-06-07T03:38:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/?p=17358"},"modified":"2014-06-07T00:26:53","modified_gmt":"2014-06-07T04:26:53","slug":"perfect-circle-reasoning-about-guns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/2014\/06\/06\/perfect-circle-reasoning-about-guns\/","title":{"rendered":"Perfect Circle Reasoning About Guns"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jon Stewart had a segment on the open gun carry movement in Texas. (I won&#8217;t be traveling there very soon.)<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align:center\">\n    <iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/media.mtvnservices.com\/embed\/mgid:arc:video:thedailyshow.com:d07f09b0-2963-4f6c-8386-97028f47b43b\" width=\"512\" height=\"288\" style=\"border:thick ridge #009900\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div>\n<pre>\r\n<\/pre>\n<div style=\"text-align:center\">\n    <iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/media.mtvnservices.com\/embed\/mgid:arc:video:thedailyshow.com:506d2cfc-7247-4fc8-a021-77368110c65f\" width=\"512\" height=\"288\" style=\"border:thick ridge #009900\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div>\n<pre>\r\n<\/pre>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think Jon Stewart made the point clearly enough.  We have the situation where is is legal in Texas to openly carry a gun into a situation where some reasonable people will feel threatened with bodily harm.  The stand your ground law (of Florida) says that if a reasonable person in your situation would feel threatened with bodily harm, then you may legally shoot the person you feel is threatening you.<\/p>\n<p>Isn&#8217;t it nice to know that you have a Constitutional right to carry a gun into a situation where another person would have the Constitutional right to kill you for asserting your Constitutional right.<\/p>\n<p>On the Wiki page explaining the case <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Terminiello_v._Chicago\" title=\"WikiPedia page\" target=\"_blank\">Terminiello v. Chicago<\/a>, it says: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nJackson&#8217;s dissent in this case is most famous for its final paragraph:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThis Court has gone far toward accepting the doctrine that civil liberty means the removal of all restraints from these crowds and that all local attempts to maintain order are impairments of the liberty of the citizen. The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<pre>\r\n<\/pre>\n<p>No wonder this was a dissenting opinion.  The other justices knew that our Constitution actually was a suicide pact.<\/p>\n<p>So here is a sign you might want to post at the front door of your commercial establishment.<\/p>\n<div style=\"border: thick ridge #009900; width:90%; text-align:center;font-size:200%;line-height:150%;padding:5px 5px 5px 5px;\">\n<strong>We Feel Threatened By People Who Openly Carry Guns Onto These Premises.<br \/>\n<br \/><span style=\"color:red\">Beware Of Our Constitutional Right To Shoot First.<\/span><\/strong>\n<\/div>\n<pre>\r\n<\/pre>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jon Stewart had a segment on the open gun carry movement in Texas. (I won&#8217;t be traveling there very soon.) I don&#8217;t think Jon Stewart made the point clearly enough. We have the situation where is is legal in Texas to openly carry a gun into a situation where some reasonable people will feel threatened [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[166],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-17358","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","6":"category-stevegsposts","7":"czr-hentry"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17358","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17358"}],"version-history":[{"count":11,"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17358\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":17370,"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17358\/revisions\/17370"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17358"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17358"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ssgreenberg.name\/PoliticsBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17358"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}