The above 38 minute interview with Keith Olbermann was conducted by Terry Gross on her NPR show Fresh Air.
For the record, I used to watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann, but I started to feel the show was too over the top and the format too contrived, so I stopped watching it. I was also disturbed to see some of the same contrivance on the Rachel Maddow show. I stopped being a regular watcher of that show, too.
The above interview had none of the bombast of the show. For what I learned, I thought it was worth posting here.