My previous post led to a discovery in some YouTube comments that the subject of the interview has a YouTube channel ProfSteveKeen.

The first thing I found on the channel was the lecture Keen: Bordeaux 2013 Debt Deflation.

My keynote speech at the KEDGE Business School “Finance and Society” conference. I give a live demonstration of switching from a model of Loanable Funds to Endogenous Money in Minsky, as well as explaining and modeling Minsky’s Financial Instablity Hypothesis.

He talks Australian fast, the topic is deeply technical, and it might take you a while to get your bearings. However, if you get about 10% of what is going on and make it to the conclusion, the results are startling and very worthwhile.

I have tried to capture a couple of his slides to give you an idea of where this lecture is leading.

On the Institute for New Economic Thinking web site, I found the interview Steve Keen: A Computer Simulation of Monetary Dynamics.  I think I have hit the mother lode, and it will take me a couple of blog posts to cover what I have just discovered.

The financial crisis that ran from 2007 to 2009 has been called a “Minsky Moment,” meaning it offered a much-needed reminder to all economists of Hyman Minsky’s neglected dictum that “capitalism is essentially a financial system.”

But even with this reminder, it is hard to know what to do next, since it is difficult to express Minsky’s vision using the standard equilibrium methods of economics. Arguably that is one reason that Minsky has remained a minority taste in economics.

This interview is just the beginning of the pay-off of my learning about this line of thinking.

I promised an explanation of how to learn about Modern Money Theory. If you haven’t understood this theory, then you probably don’t understand money, nor sovereign government debt, nor sovereign government deficits, nor foreign trade balances.  I have a very strong suspicion that most of the people in the US government who are making budgetary or foreign trade decisions have little understanding of this theory.  The average citizen has even less understanding.

Modern Money Theory: A Primer on Macroeconomics for Sovereign Monetary Systems started out as a series of post on the New Economics Perspectives blog. L. Randall Wray is the author.

In 2012, this material was published in the book Modern Money Theory: A Primer on Macroeconomics for Sovereign Monetary Systems [Paperback].

Wikipedia has an excellent article on Modern Monetary Theory which is a common alias for Modern Money Theory.  The article has a number of references, some of which are shown in the excerpt below.  To start your understanding of MMT, it is probably much easier to read the Wikipedia article first and then read the recommended references (including the one I have recommended) if you want more details.

Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), also known as neochartalism is a descriptive economic theory that details the procedures and consequences of using government-issued tokens as the unit of money, i.e., fiat money.

MMT aims to describe and analyze modern economies in which the national currency is fiat money, established and created exclusively by the government. In MMT, money enters circulation through government spending. Taxation and its Legal Tender power to discharge debt establish the fiat money as currency, giving it value by creating demand for it in the form of a private tax obligation that must be met using the government’s currency.^[1][2] An ongoing tax obligation, in concert with private confidence and acceptance of the currency, maintains its value. Because the government can issue its own currency at will, MMT maintains that the level of taxation relative to government spending (the government’s deficit spending or budget surplus) is in reality a policy tool that regulates inflation and unemployment, and not a means of funding the government’s activities per se.

 

If you have not already accepted some of the ideas of MMT, you might find yourself battling to deny the theory. Logically, it makes perfect sense (at least most of it). Of course, making perfect sense doesn’t mean it is true.  People may not behave the way an economist thinks they should.  However, the basis for MMT is mostly about the mechanics of money creation which does not seem to depend on human psychology. I also think that there is a lot of evidence for the truth of MMT.

The only disagreement I have so far is the book author’s insistence that taxation (and government fees and fines) is what drives the acceptance of modern money. I think he goes overboard when he shoots down other reasons for money’s acceptance. You will notice that the Wikipedia article lists taxation as only one of the reasons modern money is accepted by people. I had put an only semi-facetious comment on the New Economics Perspectives blog asking how the acceptance of Bitcoin is explained since no government requires (or maybe even accepts) Bitcoin as payment of taxes.

January 30, 2017

My doubts about MMT expressed above in the initial article just demonstrate my naivete. The more I read and learn about MMT, the more my doubts and quibbles melt away.

The Real News Network has just published the final part in its three part series.  This last segment is Danger of Global Recession After 30 Years of Neoliberal Counterrevolution – Flassbeck (3/3).

As I write this the US stock market has been open for 14 minutes, but I have not looked at its results yet.  Going by what happened yesterday, if this segment of the interview had been released a few days ago (probably shortly after it was conducted), it would have sounded remarkably prophetic.

Anyway, now for the obligatory excerpt from the interview.

FLASSBECK: There’s only one tool available then, and that would be fiscal policy, that would be deficit spending, no doubt about it, despite all the ideological barriers we have in many countries to use that instrument. There is nothing else available. What can you do? Will you fiddle around with structural measures, so-called structural measures or reforms or labor market flexibility or all this nonsense? That will not work anymore. You need then a very strong instrument. And the only instrument that is available is–call it New Deal or deficit spending–is spending money by the government.

And there are many needs all over the place–ecological needs, infrastructure needs, education needs. So we have to stop at a certain point this phobia on debt.  …

A commenter on YouTube about this video, wrote that he had a hard time understanding what Flassbeck was saying.  The commenter thought that real prices were rising.  I replied with the words below:

“real prices are rising”, NOT.  The problem now is fear of deflation, that prices will fall.  If you don’t have firm grasp of what is actually happening, it is no wonder you cannot understand the proposed solutions.

The US government debt is totally fictitious.  A country that is sovereign in its own currency cannot be in debt in its own currency.  Our government has gone out of it way to make it look like we are in debt for reasons that are not about economics.  If the government did not sell Treasury securities that pay interest, then the holders of that “debt” would be left with only one alternative.  They would have to leave their holdings of US money as not interest accruing reserves with the fed.  So the US Gov’t is actually doing them a favor by paying them interest to change their reserve holdings into “debt” holdings.

I think the term phobia is absolutely the right term for fear of something that does not exist.

You need to read up on Modern Money Theory.  Google it.  Also known as MMT.

I don’t know what kind of a limb I am going out on with this post.  A Naked Capitalism email gave me a link to the story Edward Snowden speaks: US blackout of interview by Charlton Stanley.

Last Sunday, former NSA contractor and whistleblower Edward Snowden was interviewed for the German television network ARD.  The interview was big news in Germany and much of the world in both print and broadcast media. However, the interview appears to have been blocked intentionally by US government authorities.

This in turn led me to report by Jay Syrmopoulos for  Ben Swann’s news page that had the German TV interview below.

Use your own judgment as to whether or not to view the interview. Remember, the NSA is watching you watching this video. Presumably they know whether you just watched this article on my blog or if you actually watched the video.